Curse

Ole Man Bourbon · Aug 04, 2006, 05:05 AM // 05:05

Because my pussy hurts.

Maria The Princess · Aug 04, 2006, 05:05 AM // 05:05

well i like PVP. i do AB, RA, TA...... i would like to go in HA, but when i go in oviously im a noob, because i have no rank. now with the title system its even worse... i mean, Tyrian protector or Treasure hunter will not impress anyone.... so i spend 1 hour finding a non rank group, and then we just get PWNED so bad i dont go back for anouther week

when i do find a relatevly good group, we get on Vent or TS and as soon as i use a skill that is not in the right order or something (bad klick? lag? ate an interrupt?) i get flamed as much as if i commited an unforgivable crime against humanity.

My guild is more of a PVE guild, ands when we occasionally decide to make a HA group, we end up waiting for PVPers to get online and notmally and up being only 3-4 ppl in a PUG with people i have mentioned in paragraph 2...

now, i just gave up and try to satisfy my PVP cravings in AB or TA, wich oviously wont give me any fame and rank... so its more my own pass time when im tired of PVE, rather then working towards a specific goal

so no HA for me untill my guild starts working more on it

Kook~NBK~ · Aug 04, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06

I don't play the HA because I don't like sitting around for hours just trying to get into a group (8 fame FTW!!!

) and then when I do get in a group, if you lose your first battle, the party breaks up and then your back to sitting around agian trying to get into the next group.

I don't do the RA's because the maturity level there is quite low. If you kill someone, you're apt to be called (by the dead guy) "noob" and if that same guy kills you, guess what? He'll call you a noob!

I do play ABs, they could use some work (no opposing party blah blah blah) and sometimes the people you play with aren't that skilled, but there's very little of the elitist attitudes you run into in HA and very little (relatively speaking) of the childishness that goes on in RA. The 502 - 500 games are great, but the 500 - 23 games are no fun at all - no matter which side I'm on.

Sli Ander · Aug 04, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feminist Terrorist

In response to Sli, scrubs of the world, unite! lol

Scrubs shall rule the World!As long as nobody cheats....

jackie · Aug 04, 2006, 05:16 AM // 05:16

Best way to start chewing that learning curve down in HA is to gather a group from your guild & friends - no fame elitism then. Í've seen so many guilds that don't know anything about PvP to turn into a very succesfuls guilds on the PvP side.

Sanji · Aug 04, 2006, 05:17 AM // 05:17

I don't have any friends who PvP.

BhaalSpawn · Aug 04, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

I'm a strong supporter of RA arenas, something about having four characters come together seemlessly in to a team, they didn't choose, somehow restores my faith in human kind. Team arenas also focus well on building strong player bonds in what I believe is an important part of the game. However, I believe HA to be the biggest load of crock I've ever seen . HA is not pvp it's ava (army vs army), like watching two whales bump into each other until one of them falls over. Sure it's funny, but there is no reason behind it. Fame and Rank aren't very different either, they're just another way for little kids to say my sand pile is bigger than yours. I mean who honesty needs a deer head to pop up every time they type /fame.

Congrats to you VitisVinifera for that random Baldur's Gate reference I've been meaning to sneak one in for weeks... best rpg ever. YEAH!

Guillaume De Sonoma · Aug 04, 2006, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Honestly I find all this bullshit. Maybe its the fact I am a PvPer, but going from PvE to PvP isn't that hard if you put some effort into it and getting better.

TadaceAce · Aug 04, 2006, 05:44 AM // 05:44

Because I'm a newb and would rather own poor AI all day then fight real people that own me cause I suck at this game.

AJM · Aug 04, 2006, 06:18 AM // 06:18

I don't do it because I'm not comfortable trying to coordinate and work closely with people I JUST MET. Once my guild once again has enough members for GvG, I'll do that. That's fun, you're fighting alongside your little in-game 'family'. Random arenas are fun, you never really know what will happen.

But some of the people in team arenas, HA, etc. are NUTS. I swear, these people are either descended from Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan or Napoleon, and dream up strategies and tactics in their sleep, or they spend far more time on GW than I could ever hope to... and I'm unemployed, for the most part, so that's a lot. These are people I can't hope to compete with, and so, I don't.

majoho · Aug 04, 2006, 06:40 AM // 06:40

Because I don't have to... except for the little faction I need.

Plushie Penguin · Aug 04, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

I don't pvp much because I don't like fighting other people since it seems to bring out the worst in them sometimes, aka the assassin chasing my necro around in aspenwood

Sable Phoenix · Aug 04, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guillaume De Sonoma

Honestly I find all this bullshit. Maybe its the fact I am a PvPer, but going from PvE to PvP isn't that hard if you put some effort into it and getting better.

That's the biggest reason I don't PVP right there.

The attitudes suck. Sportsmanship is nonexistent. PVP is filled with elitist snobs who love nothing more than to beat someone with a cookie cutter build and then rub it in their face as much as possible, as if they'd actually somehow accomplished something of import. Of course these same people will quit a match the first time they die.

I'm decent at PVP when I try it (which was only during the Factions and Nightfall PVP previews). But I don't like the pressure. PVE is low-pressure, liesurely, do what you want at your own pace type of play. PVP is gogogo, have to have a certain build, gotta be better than everyone else, can't let your team down, and no matter how many opponents you roll over, you'll always always eventually hit someone that you cannot beat, who will then proceed to lord it over you as if they now win at life.

Add to this that PVP is inherently pointless. In PVE you get all sorts of loot and things, not to mention concrete objectives related to a (admittedly poor) storyline. In PVP, nothing is accumulated, nothing is gained, nothing is accomplished except being able to say you beat so-and-so. Great, you beat so-and-so, and you've now got, what? Bragging rights? From a computer game? Sad.

So yeah. All of the above means that PVP = waste of time.

majoho · Aug 04, 2006, 06:47 AM // 06:47

True, you simply can't compete with a competetive child with add

Gli · Aug 04, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

I've done every type of PvP in the game. Not anymore. Too time consuming and not worth the effort. I don't want to spend time coordinating a team build and all that. When I'm at my computer, I want to play, not stand around talking. And when you're finally playing, it's usually boring as hell. How many boon prots can you dismantle and take down before it becomes a drag?

The only thing I still play now and again is RA, but after a while even the countdown timers at the start and end of every match get to me. I want to play, not stand around doing nothing.

In PvE, I can define my own challenges instead of battling boring FotM builds over and over again.

Andy_M · Aug 04, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Because I'd rather have my own build than have to use a cookie-cutter to get a pvp match. And to be honest, if I want to pvp, then I would rather shoot someone in the face with a gun. And believe it or not the pvp community makes the counterstrike one look well-mannered and respectful.

Former Ruling · Aug 04, 2006, 07:30 AM // 07:30

I PvP when the guild asks me too, but mostly PvP turns into more of a hassle than fun - Mainly because of E-Drama.

Like one dude doesn't like a skill another dude decided to take and cusses in vent and starts an e-fight, or one dude doesnt like the tactics being called so Rages and gets everyone in a pissy mood...

Its tore apart far too many guilds and HA groups to even count.

I Mean...It'd be much better like this...If your there to have fun and goof off..Don't start raging and fighting in vent when bad stuff happens..Your goofing off, if you lose you know why...But if your serious about the match and want to win act like it...Theres a fine line between a rank 1000 guild and a rank 100 one...same in HA.

Another thing...E-Drama is just that...its just venting because of a loss or something, Don't take it to heart. Don't Rage because someone told you your skills suck, and Don't ignore someone just because you don't like something...Some of my best GW Friends fuss with from time to time...But at the end of the day I'm not going to rage the guild or put them on my ignore list. Its like a Husband and Wife..You can fight all day..But at night you should still sleep in the same bed..

Jessyi · Aug 04, 2006, 07:31 AM // 07:31

I see PvP getting paintbrushed unfairly again.

The old sentiments of "PvPers are all elitists", "PvPers are all snobs", "PvPers are all tempermental 12 year olds with no lives whose only joy remains in killing digital avatars of other people". Ugh. With the exception of a small but vocal minority it's been my experience that most of the best PvPers in the game are decent, approachable people who hold good sportsmanship in high regard. Certainly there are assholes in PvP, though it was my experience when I was new to HA that the bulk of them happened to be on MY team. That aside, I got into an HA guild not through the people on my team, but through the enemy's. I guess this notion is lost on a lot of people, but if you want to get recruited chances are the people killing you will be your recruiters. Want to get on the winning team? Say gg. Thank them for the match. Talk to them a little. Most importantly, show them your worth in battle.

This is not to say that HA and GvG isn't stressful and demanding, because it is. Before you expect to do well in these areas, you have to know a few things. You have to know the basics of the metagame for these areas. You've got to know your builds and play them well. You've got to know that your enemy will make no exceptions or accomodations when it comes to winning. This means playing the build that you've been assigned, with the right skills, the right stats, the right weapons and the right armor. It means time and dedication. You've got to be serious about playing in these areas or you might as well consider winning a bonus. For the most part, tension and anger doesn't come from losing but from being outplayed. If your enemy sucks sufficiently, anyone can win, but you've got to play WELL to take down top teams and guilds. Before condemning PvP, ask yourself if you REALLY are inclined to do what you have to join in and do well. If not, then you really don't have the right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sable Phoenix

In PVP, nothing is accumulated, nothing is gained, nothing is accomplished except being able to say you beat so-and-so. Great, you beat so-and-so, and you've now got, what? Bragging rights? From a computer game? Sad.

So yeah. All of the above means that PVP = waste of time.

Is this attitude any better than the one you claim to despise? The attitudes suck indeed.

All I can say in conclusion is that I respect the choices of all players in this game be they rabid PvPers or rabid PvEers. You like what you like. But before you condemn PvP because of perceived elitism of the PvPers, consider that maybe YOU are the one who doesn't have the time, inclination, or attitude to play that aspect of the game. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but if you don't like PvP why not (respectfully) keep your disparaging comments to yourself?

-Jessyi

carribus · Aug 04, 2006, 07:34 AM // 07:34

I have tried PvP a couple of times. In fact, got all the way to HA and then just lost my patience. RA, TA etc... great fun

But sitting around waiting for a team to accept a 'noob' playing (I don't hide it either) is just SUCH a waste of time. I run GW.EXE in order to have fun and run around and not have to wait on some team to decide to 'give me a chance'. If I wanted to sit around doing nothing for an hour, I'd catch a plane to somewhere.

However, I'm not sure what the demographics of the previous posters are, however, I play on the European servers, and only once in all my HA time have I had a truly negative experience where the people call each other names and go off like the end of the world has come when someone dies. So kudo's to that (or maybe I'm just lucky).

aron searle · Aug 04, 2006, 08:05 AM // 08:05

I hit random arenas and aspenwood now and again, and sometimes the 12v12 but thats it.

Everytime i try to go to HA i can never find a group, and when i do they ask for a build that i have most of the skills unlocked for but not all, then the usual 20 minute faff about occours whilst people discuss a build, then i get bored and leave (Because by then ive spent half an hour in HA before ive even DONE anything). im not in a GVG guild so thats that.

I cant be bothered with all the orginasation it takes because of the absence of a party matching system, thats why i like the random or small team games(12v12).